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Natural Cellular Defense, Liquid Zeolite

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I am the mother of five year old and two year old boys. My five year old son has had trouble all his life with allergies and sensitivities to everything except himself. I have always had trouble treating him for any medical problems because medications send him for a loop behaviorally.

He is on a very strict diet that excludes all forms of food colorings and most preservatives. If he does accidentally sneak these products we experience behavioral outburst, twitching, hallucinations and loss of his bladder control at night. (His normal reactions from a forbidden food last 5 days.)

He cannot handle any chemical cleaning products around him and we cannot spray the house for bugs with out his whole face swelling up and his asthma kicking in. He has extreme temper flare-ups that can last anywhere from 45 min to 1 hour long. He has had trouble interacting with his brother also. I was introduced to Natural Cellular Defense 3 weeks ago and my husband and I have been using it ourselves. We were hesitant to try it on our five year old until we had tried it out.

Well I have felt such a shift in myself that I mentioned to my husband I wanted to try it on the kids. We talked about starting it but I never did because I was working on making sure they were well hydrated before beginning.

The night he was given NCD was unplanned. He was given NCD on the evening of a day that he had mistakenly been given a food that he shouldn't eat. He had been bouncing off the walls and was really combative with us that whole afternoon. My husband and I had an important meeting that night and we needed to bring the kids with us since we had no sitter. We were filling their water bottles to take and my husband added NCD to it thinking I had been giving it to them. We noticed the next morning following the NCD that he was really quiet and was showing an interest in his brother and wanting to play with him. I assumed it was a fluke. We then noticed that we were able to talk him out some three temper tantrums that we have daily without fail on important issues. The following day he was actually playing with his brother and sharing willingly. He even offered to help me around the house. He has been extremely compliant since starting the NCD 4 days ago and I am amazed.

I cannot wait to see what the full program brings me in the way of a giving me my son back.

Hi,
I guess most of you are reading about NCD on other lists. I just want to tell that in our case, Allan is 5.8 and quite high functioning, we saw gains immediately. We have been using it for just 8 days to date and the differences in language, behavior, overall connectedness were there almost immediately. Still doing a very low dose. 3 drops a day. We have chelated with different chelators and have never had such a positive reaction so quickly. Hope it continues.

Yes, I have seen improvements since starting NCD. My son is just more connected now. He was conversational prior to introducing NCD, but now he is coming out with more phrases kids his age say like: "Wow, that's cool!" and "Your a loser" to his brother. Have to be careful what you wish for! Needless to say, I had to correct his description of his brother.

In addition, my son has more energy.(Aren't most kids getting tired?? Not sure why this is happening) He wants to run outside. He has taken an interest in baseball. "T-ball is for preschoolers" now, & he wants me to throw the ball to him to practice his batting skills. (he is 6 years old & in Kindergarten)

We have chelated with DMPS for over a year prior to this. I never saw results as fast as I am seeing with NCD. I am scared to increase the # of drops I give because I don't ever want to get a regression. My April 2006 Doctors Data "heavy metal 6 hour urine collection" (DMPS IV as provoking agent) still shows elevated lead & mercury. I am still at 4 drops 3x/day. I sense a cold coming on & have increased Vitamin C to 6 grams per day. (no loose BM yet with this). I have never done an NCD"challenge" to determine just how much it pulls. I wish someone could share this information.

Its like a chelator and anti viral in one. Honestly... I don't know what it is... but it's working... I am cautious about what I give my 3 yr old non verbal ASD... I read all the books, I'm on every elist and have surfed the net for HOURS... I eat, sleep and breath ASD and pray for recovery. I am cautious... but would try a witch doctor if it wouldn't cause "harm" to my son.

I started using NCD 3 weeks ago... cold, fever, lethargy.. runny nose (viral) and the past week and a half we are HEARING words/approximates for words.. prompted, unprompted... my god the word "BUGGER" sounded like angel's song to me. I am getting notes home from the teacher how calm and focused he has been and how VOCAL. (Mind you she knows nothing about the NCD) I'm gonna continue.. I'm getting results.

Snake Oil ?? I don't know. I haven't done any testing.. my results are just what I have seen with my own eyes.

It is so nice to keep a list.... NEW WORDS SAID TODAY.

3 weeks ago this non verbal 3 yr old said approximates for maybe 5 words and hummed songs. 4 weeks ago we started NCD, in 1.5 weeks this non verbal 3 yr old has said 20-40 words , repeated from what someone said or prompted to say it and has used more than half of those words again appropriately.

This same 3 yr old has been less agitated, aggressive and tolerates frustration better then he ever has. No tantrums. He stays on task at school & ABA. Focused, learning action & reaction. Pull daddy's beard he says ouch, blow the whistle the dog will bark, bang the big screen TV you get sent to your room. I'm still trying to compile a list of all the gains we have seen over the past few weeks.

I have been doing the same since our diagnosis a year ago… biomed, GFCF, Vitamins, minerals, epsom salt baths, full day preschool, ABA, Speech, OT and chelation (TD-DMPS, TD-EDTA) for the past 7-8 months.. We have been seeing gains... but I thought I would take a break..and I am just about out of TD-DMPS (I will probably not get more as gains from NCD are far greater)... and give NCD a try and stop the td's… the NCD has opened new doors and WOWs like nothing else before. I don't regret my decision to take a break from the td's & try NCD. I could kick myself for not trying sooner... it sat with the supplements for almost 2 weeks waiting for Easter break.

I'm still trying to catch my breath from the excitement I have been feeling as to how the NCD is working... my Pinocchio is turning into a real boy!!!!

Somebody pinch me... I can't believe this stuff is really working. I really don't know all the who, what where, why when & how's.. I just know my son is improving.

Subject: 3rd day... progress?!?!

I am so afraid to jump the gun on this but my son has now been on NCD for 3 days and he is doing really, really well. I was extremely skeptical about this stuff but I hope it proves me wrong. We did one drop the first day, one in am and two drops in pm on the second day, and today we did two drops three times a day. I hope I didn't move too rapidly but he seemed to be doing really well. He is very, very, very happy (happy prior but really happy and jolly... telling jokes). He is saying new things. It might be hard to tell from an outsider but we all know when our kids say something "new" or in a "new" way that we haven't heard before. Asking a lot of questions too. I don't want to jinx it but feeling really good about this.

My husband travels during the week so I can't wait to see if he notices the same differences when he gets home tomorrow... I didn't tell him I was starting anything new. The best part is that he made me a card today. It had a lot of letters and words on it. I asked him what it said and he said, "To Mommy and Daddy, I Love You." He says I love you but actually making us something that said it is a whole new ball game. He can't spell good yet though. He is 4.6 years old. Keep everyone posted.

Hi all, I told my MD I had started NCD (he had suggested I try it). I mentioned this group which he had not heard about, but he was very interested. Seems he has had very vague results with NCD for adults but he has seen good results with 4 autistic children. Said he first used NCD with a child for diarrhea and the child starting speaking within one to two days. He and the parents couldn't believe it so they took him off NCD. Speech disappeared. Back on - started talking again. I felt really encouraged (even though it's me not my kids that needs help from NCD). He said speech is the major improvement the parents are reporting with the four kids he's trying it on.

My husband and I have decided, today, to keep our son on NCD daily. We may fluctuate on the dosage up or down as needed, but I don't think we're going to go off the product for a while because he does so much better on it. My husband commented today that he is noticing a difference between days on and days off of NCD. I asked him what improvements he is seeing in Tyler on NCD days and he said that Tyler is answering questions more quickly and he is answering in more complete sentences when he is taking NCD. We've been doing NCD every other day for a while now. Also, we trialed 3 days on and 3 days off. This was my idea mainly because the "Dan" protocol is stuck in my head (gut worries, mineral worries, and giving the body a rest, etc.) But.... this group has taught me a thing or two about giving minerals. (particularly zinc) We're going to run the hair test monthly to check metal and mineral levels. I'll keep you posted if you want me to. BTW, my son had a few white dots on his nails that have disappeared while on NCD. Does anyone know what causes white dots on nails. I thought I read somewhere that a zinc deficiency causes that. His nails are pretty clear now.

Hi everyone,
I wanted to share how we are doing with this product. We (my son and I) started last Friday. 1 drop twice a day. I am up to 7 today but I felt a bit nauseous, so I am going to cut back to 5 tomorrow. If I still feel sick, I'll cut back to 3 drops twice a day. I have not felt any positives yet. As for my son, he is 4 and weighs 50 lbs and is high functioning. He is now on 3 drops twice a day. He is also on many other supplements, including TD-DMPS (1 ml every 48 hours) for the past 10 months, TD-Glutathione for 1 year, Valtrex for 2 months, Threelac 2 months, Nystatin for 1 year and a variety of vitamins and minerals for 1.5 years. Yesterday I would say we had a great breakthrough. In the afternoon, I dropped of his lunch at his daycare, and he saw me, ran to me, hugged me and looked right at my eyes and said: "I love you mommy". He had NEVER said it like that. I cannot erase that moment from my memory. Then, in the afternoon his grandma took him to the movies and he watched it all with a friend (another high functioning child that has become very good friends with my son and lives in our neighborhood - very convenient).

After the movie, they went to get ice cream (he is on a GF/CF diet but I allowed it to be broken given the circumstances). Then they ran around in a small park and when it was time to come home, in the car he told his grandma: "grandma, thank you for helping me watch big TV". That is his broken English for thank you for bringing me to the movies. His grandma called me immediately. He had never done that. EVER.

Remember something that had taken place at least 1 hour earlier and then thank someone for doing something for him, never happened before. Then today, he was so vocal. And during bath time, he initiated playing with crayons in the tub and he was just incredibly conversational, saying: "I LOVE to play with crayons. I LOVE the crayon color red". And on top of that, when I told him in sequence what I wanted him to do - from shutting down the PC to taking a bath to going to bed, he changed the sequence of events around to fit what he wanted to do. He used lots of words, long sentences and then said: "Ok Mommy?". I had to say yes to that! ;-) . His grandma also witnessed it and wanted to film it as it was a total breakthrough. I haven't told her about NCD. She swears it is the TD-DMPS.

My son (just turned 3 years) has been using the product now for 7 days. He is PDD-NOS. His speech is at the 24 month level. We did 5 days at 1 drop a day and 2 days at 1 drop twice a day. Here are my observations. I will add that on days 4, 5, and 6 we were on our 6th round of chelation with oral DSMA.

1. no change in sleep pattern, still a great sleeper, took naps as usual
2. started kissing his 5 month old baby sister on his own for the first time (alot of kissing, we have to tell him "enough")
3. started calling 5 year old sister "sissy" and naming people in photographs, however, still no "mama" or "daddy".
4. improvement in receptive language and following directions put on socks and shoes (no tying) by himself for the first time
5. slight increase in hyperactivity on third chelation day which usually happens anyway

We are very excited and encouraged about the results we have seen this week. I don't know if it is the DMSA or the NCD or a combination, but I am going to continue to use the product and increase the dosage every few days.

Just wanted to share my excitement. My 8 year old son's sound sensitivities have been reduced so much that we decided to try attending the fireworks this year. He loved it!!!!! The finale was so loud and long, but he was laughing the whole time! Usually we're sitting in our house dealing with yelling and crying, even though the fireworks are a few miles away. He's been on NCD less than 2 months.

Hope everyone else had a great holiday!

Our son Jared was on the drug Chemet for about 4 months. During this time his urine was tested for heavy metals twice. Both test results came back negative for mercury but positive for lead. Then we took him off Chemet and started NCD.

After 2 weeks his urine test results came back positive for mercury. Then again after 6 more weeks the result again was a positive for mercury. Jared is 17 years old and was exposed to mercury a long time ago. It doesn't go away by it's self. He is improving its as if the fog in his brain is disappearing and he can see the world around him at last. He is noticing everything. And making more conversation than was possible before. He has a more in depth thought process.

I believe in NCD and would recommend it to anyone.

Posted to Autism-Biomedical-Europe by Mandi of Mandimart.com
owner of list and using Biomedical treatments for over 7 years.

Six Month Update on Sam - Very Loooooong - Witter Warning!

Posted by: "Mum231ASD asdparent2parent
Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:49 PM (PST)

[Beginning NCD at end of April - this was written approx. 8 weeks later]

I totally forgot that I could have been doing ALA alone and not worrying about the minerals being depleted - DUH. Anyways, after dismissing NCD because of MLM earlier in the year, I revisited and chatted with folks actually using the stuff. We are not able to sign up as distributors and get the discount from the UK so another US mum sorted me out with supplies - thanks A!

We started at the end of April, with 1 drop x 3 and raising the dose by 3 drops each day. I started the same time. Day 3 we both had yeasty wee+++++. Sam does not have stool changes or many yeast behaviors these days so smells and bedwetting with Candex are really the only clues. Upped probio's and that cleared up over 72 hours. (I will write about my experiences in another mail).

Then we had a spooky rash, looked like stinging nettle stings, mid trunk and then - poof it was gone. He didn't seem bothered by it. Receptive language took a leap, he is extra happy, seems very confident.

Within a week he was balancing on the scooter, posing like his brothers, turning corners with ease - and at speed (arghhhhhh) and when we went to the park and he scooted off with Tom and Joe - well, I was watching a normal set of siblings go off into the distance - that was spooky, scary and exciting all rolled in to one - don't get me wrong, Sam is waaaaay from being a normal boy, but its awesome to watch him looking like one

* This is far too long already and I am tired so I am gonna list some of the stuff we have been seeing since the NCD late April and the Russian Choice GI at the end of May. We have done one round of regular Chelation in this period with oral DMSA and TD-RLA.

`Asking' for brushing by putting his arm around me and taking me to our bedroom and dive bombing on the bed and waiting for me to start

* He was swimming with SLP qualified respite worker, with her pulling him by his fingertips and saying Weeeeeeeeeee while he giggled, he loved it, she pulled without saying weeee, the second time he said WEEEeeeeee with perfect articulation and intonation and then looked very scared that the sound had come out of him and wouldn't do it again, just like he did when I got the very first vocal imitation `Buh' out of him in March. He was really wrapped up in the moment then too, almost like the words can come out if he is relaxed enough?

That's his first word since 13 months BTW

He also moved up the side of pool to the deep end holding on to the side whilst Nicky swam out to the middle - she could tell he wanted her to come over but she pretended not to understand - he was having trouble signing and hanging on LOL, she told him to come to her - and he did - swam right out with no problems, he has never done that without armbands or jacket although I suspected he might be able to.

He can now `blow' on command now, only learnt to blow in an accidental fashin in January - new years party streamer he found in the bin at Disney LOL He is now watching my mouth intently when I sing - like he is trying to figure out how I make the words come out. He puts on his favorite track in the car and touches my chin if I don't start singing straight away. I say a word and touch his chin - he contorts his mouth trying to figure out how to make the sound come out - bless!

He saw me winding up the power lead on the vacuum and went and opened the door to the cupboard for me, I didn't even know he registered where we even keep it! When we are out in the car and come up to a junction, he looks left and right, leaning forward like I do to check for traffic

* The early morning wakening is a thing of the past - no more 5.00-6.00am - now he sleeps through till 7.00am. He is very calm and relaxed - he used to ping about the place, busy rather than hyper - the other day I thought I had lost him - NO VERBAL STIMS - excuse me? I found him relaxing on the sofa with his legs crossed watching the DVD and using the remote control - wow!

No longer holds on to my finger - prefers to hold hands properly or link arms as they do at school. When we go out to the freezer for an orange juice lolly he is closing the drawer with his foot like anybody would do (it's the bottom drawer) - he used to bend down and struggle to push it with his hands

We are seeing some head nodding and shaking for yes and no - finally after 6 years of trying to get him to do it!!! This comes more easily when he isn't thinking too hard about it - its spontaneous and it seems to surprise him but not cause worry like the word/attempts did

Made his first ever spontaneous comment with PECS at school last week and then went off to take supermarket vouchers to the office as requested - by himself, did his job and returned to classroom

* He can now hold up the right number of fingers for 1-5, he concentrates hard on number 3 getting his little finger and thumb to point inwards and in last few weeks no longer needs to use his other hand to help get the position right. We use this mostly for action songs at home.

Nicky came to take him out a few weeks ago and set him up - she wrapped up a Percy Pig sweet and placed it in the car so he could see it when he got in but couldn't reach it. He made all sorts of signs and gestures but she said you have to ASK for it Sam it's a Percy Pig, he got mad and spat out a `Puh-Puh' for her eventually and she made a big fuss and he looked very pleased with himself. BTW If I try this he would walk away from me rather than make sound. She can push him further than me.

He is keeping him pants on!!!!! (always preferred to be naked at home) He has a white bum instead of an all over tan for the very first time and he is putting them on first thing without even being reminded! (and changing them if he gets a skiddy!)
Tidying up his room when prompted (he doesn't make a much of a mess anywhere else)

He often gets Marmite round his face when eating toast - I have started taking him to the mirror, giving him a wipe and telling him he has a dirty face, his reaction the first time was to wipe the rash in the mirror but he knows that wasn't right and is concentrating hard and managing to wipe the right place - this is a kid that would NEVER look in a mirror after he regressed Receptive up +++ or is it desire to listen? David saw him holding new DVD the other day and said - oh what have you got - Sam went over and passed it to DH and waited for a response - show and share eh? Love it!

He is asking (gestures) his brother for a go on his new (adult sized) bike - and letting Joe put the cycle helmet on him (OMG - this is kid who will NOT EVER wear hats) Joe said Sam was trying to do the gears like he has seen him do - held on to Joe's shoulder with one arm and was made up when he pushed him a round on it

* A week ago we had the chicken pox type rash for 3 days. This week we have what looks like a measles type rash on the back of his thighs. Its different to what we normally see eczema type wise with gut bug flare or die off. He has been pinching today - I think it may be bacteria flare/die off - we have been doing Biocidin for 2 weeks now. Will see how he goes and might go in with the CS if things don't look up. I will post a link to photo of latest rash later.

We have not seen this many positives in such a short time since we came off the diet with HNI 4 years ago. Whilst this might seem like small stuff to many of you - its highly significant here and I am very excited

* Even not so observant DH is noticing stuff. Sam is learning from his environment and imitation now for the first time and that as you know is HUGE!

In summary, it feels like he fits in his own skin now - does that make sense?

We have altered the NCD dose several times, backing off if it seemed too much and worked up to 15 drops per day, x 3 in the morning and x12 in a liter of juice/water mix which he gets throughout the day at school. I don't plan do to any more traditional chelation until we have updated RBC results.

We have worked up slowly on the Russian Choice stuff since beginning of June and I am holding at 2 x 2 caps per day for now. Looking forward to at last getting some proper testing done in August now we have some funding from Caudwell, his EFA's are all up the creek for sure, probably amino's too, trying to figure out a way to fund Yasko testing. We'll be doing Megsons protocol then too, if I can ever get enough CLO into him

Mandi in UK
Mum to Sam 14.1.97, Dx 47XYY, Autism, Heavy Metal Toxicity,
Possible Seizure Disorder and Severe Cute-ness

The statements above have not been evaluated by the FDA. If you are unwell or on medication, we recommend you seek the advice of a qualified healthcare practitioner before starting a zeolite program. Zeolite is not a medicine, and is not intended for the treatment or prevention of disease.