Podcast 453: Health and The Economy 

On today’s podcast, Martin has the honor and privilege of interviewing George Edward Griffin. Ed is an American lecturer, filmmaker, and author of two very well known books- The Creature from Jekyll Island & World Without Cancer – The Story of Vitamin B17.

Tune in for this special discussion on history, economic affairs, politics, truth, health and freedom.

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MARTIN: Hi, everyone. This is Martin Pytela for a Life Enthusiast podcast, and today I have a rare pleasure of introducing to you Mr. G Ed Griffin. He comes to us with a pedigree that you would envy. After all, he’s been on the planet for a long, long time, and he has had the time to earn his chops. Mr. Griffin, welcome to Life Enthusiast.

G ED Griffin: Ah, well thank you for inviting me. Yeah. I’ve been around for a long, long time. That’s true.

MARTIN: <laugh>. Yeah. Well, just for reference, birth year 1931. That makes you at least 20 years older than myself. So.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. Well.

MARTIN: You would have to know at least four universities more than I do.

G ED Griffin: <laugh> Well that really is kind of the trick of life, isn’t it? It’s to learn what it’s all about. Learning is the most gratifying, and probably the only meaningful thing we do in this life is to learn about something. And of course, then the other half is if you discover that what you learned is not going well for you or for mankind, or for the universe or whatever, wherever your mind happens to be. Then the next object is to do something about it, and that’s where it really gets interesting. Because first of all, you have to figure out, well why am I here and what’s my purpose? And how did all this come about? And it takes a long time. And then the first thing you know, you wind up being as old as I am, and you say oh my gosh, I think I got it, but it’s too late now. You know, you’re out of time thinking about it. And my advice would be for younger people to don’t think too much about it. Just get on with it and do it.

MARTIN: Yeah. I remember somebody saying something about planting trees. The best time to plant a tree was 40 years ago. The next best time is today,

G ED Griffin: <laugh>. Yeah, that’s right.

MARTIN: Right. Well, my mother recently passed and I was thinking, contemplating on that, why is it that nature is so wasteful when she was at her most knowledgeable, most wise, most having all of this knowledge together and so much to give and then boom! <Laugh> It’s over.

G ED Griffin: Yeah.

MARTIN: And so I’m contemplating my own shortness of time. Right? Yeah. What do I have left here and what sort of mark do I want to leave?

G ED Griffin: Right. That happens as you get older. When I was a young twig I never thought about that. I never thought I would get old, I guess. Because that’s the truth of the matter. I always looked at old people and I said to myself, gee, I’m glad I’m not one of those people. I would hate to be an old person. I’m glad I’m <laugh> young. I never thought that it might sort of change, or I understood that of course, in my mind. But in my heart and in my attitude, I really thought I was going to be young forever. Whatever that meant.

MARTIN: Yeah. I remember at 25 feeling bulletproof and immortal.

G ED Griffin: Yeah.

MARTIN: Yeah. Well, then there’s this one thing that I remember you mentioned some time ago, which was the crusader gene. Care to talk about that a wee bit?

G ED Griffin: Well, yeah. That was a big event in my life. It goes way, way back to actually 1960. I remember the year, that’s the day I woke up or took my first red pill, as they’d like to say it today. Prior to that, I was just a young guy. I was climbing the corporate ladder. I was all wrapped up in myself and my family. Nothing wrong with being wrapped up in your family, but it was all about, how am I looking? Am I making enough money? Am I impressive? Am I cool? Will I have a lot of money someday? Will I have an apartment in New York up at the top, or one of those penthouse structures? Is my car good enough? Maybe I needed a better car. I was all about that. How am I looking?

G ED Griffin: And I thought that was what life was about. And then I ran into some literature, which for the first time in my life caused me to think about things other than that, other than materialistic things. Things that had to do with objects and conditions that … I had no interest previously in life, such as history. What’s our heritage? What is our obligation to a future generation, if any. What’s this future generation stuff? We’ll all take care of it ourselves, you know? So I was involved in that, totally. And then I read this little pamphlet, and it kind of shook me. And I thought, my gosh, something is happening out there and I don’t like what it is. And I guess, I’m the person I’m waiting for to come along and save me from all of this <laugh>. And that changed my whole life. And I occasionally described that as saying I all of a sudden realized I had a crusader gene. Because it started to vibrate, and it surprised the heck out of me. But ever since then, it’s never stopped vibrating. So I guess it was always there, and it just took a little while for me to get it tuned up and ready to go.

MARTIN: Hmm. Would you say it’s somehow the willingness of taking on a cause that may appear hopeless in doing it anyway?

G ED Griffin: I think that’s definitely part of it. That comes a little bit later. It came a little bit later for me because as we were just discussing a moment ago, when we’re at that age, everything is possible. There’s nothing that’s impossible. We’re men of steel, and if we can conquer the world, if we just figure it out. So in the beginning, the idea of not succeeding was not a dominant idea. But then, of course, <laugh>, as I learned more, and I saw how far this process of decay of civilization and our culture and our heritage has gone. And how much the enemies of liberty and humanity have placed themselves into positions of great influence and power. I began to think wow, maybe this is going down and I’m going to go with it. But that didn’t, that thought never crossed my mind until much later in the battle.

G ED Griffin: But it made no difference. And that’s your point. It didn’t make any difference. Well, this may not turn out well for me, but at least I’m part of a process that by that time, I figured out was transgenerational. That it wasn’t just about me and, and my retirement and my family. It was about the rest of mankind and all humanity. And not just the next 20 years, but the next a hundred years, the next 500 years, the next thousand years, and so forth. And once I got that picture, I was content to go to bed at night, even thinking that I may not see victory in my lifetime. Because I could smile with the idea that today I put one more brick, a big sturdy brick in the foundation of this thing we’re building for the future. And the idea that I was building something that’s going to outlast me, it was exceedingly gratifying.

MARTIN: Yeah. As you’re saying it, I’m thinking of the builders of the gothic cathedrals, year 1100 or something like that. And they’ve designed it, and they started building, and it probably took three generations to finish, right?

G ED Griffin: Oh, at least that, yeah. The idea that we’re building something for the future. And I remember we’ve said this enough times probably, the difference between being young and old, but one of the things I remember when I was still quite young in this battle is that the people that I looked up to as having knowledge about all of these things that I did not have, all of them were older guys. And they were saying, well Ed, don’t be so anxious. You know, it took many centuries to get where we are today, and you’re not going to turn this all around by the next election. And I remember thinking to myself, oh, yes I am! <Laugh> <laugh>. And I was thinking in terms of two years and four years cycles, we can just get somebody in the White House, the man on the white horse. That’s how I was thinking. Yeah. <affirmative> Like so many young people. But now I’m one of those old guys saying, yep this is transgenerational. And I’m glad to be a part of that.

MARTIN: Awesome. Yeah. I’m reminded the reason you and I are meeting is of course, our mutual acquaintance Babry Oren.

G ED Griffin: Yes.

MARTIN: And his Folium. And there goes one of those kinds of things that seem to be worth getting on the bandwagon with, I would like to acknowledge him for that, and, and carrying the flag. And something that started back in 1987, and here we are 35 years later, and we’re still needing this thing. Right?

G ED Griffin: Yeah. More, more than ever. Mm-hmm.

MARTIN: <affirmative>. Yeah. What do you think of the Folium?

G ED Griffin: Well, I think it’s a gift from nature, gift of creation. It’s, my feeling has changed over the years on this as well. Back to the younger phase when I was, I thought I knew everything, but realized now I knew nothing. But in those days I thought, well, like being old, it’s just something that some people are fortunate. They’re not old, they’re young and other people are unfortunate. They were born old, I guess. And I’m glad I’m not going to ever be old, because I hadn’t thought anything through, believe it or not, I really had that attitude pretty much. Well, along with that attitude is a parallel one, which is that I believe that I was one of the lucky ones that was healthy. Now, if you were unhealthy, it was just a matter of luck. Some people are unhealthy, other people are healthy, and oh thank God I’m one of the healthy ones.

G ED Griffin: It never dawned on me that I had something to do with preserving my own health and creating my own health. I thought, well if I ever got sick, well that’s what they got doctors for. I’ll just look one up in the telephone directory and I’ll say, hey doc, I got it a little problem. I’ll come in, you fix it okay? I never thought it was my responsibility to be aware of health and the process of disease and anything about bacteria and viruses and immune systems and vitamins and minerals and all these things. No, that’s for the doctors to worry about. Well, now I have quite a different view. And Babry’s formula with the pX series, plays into that quite well because his stuff, I’ll call it stuff because it’s a big mixture of things, as far as I can tell, almost all of it, if not 100% of it comes from nature.

G ED Griffin: Nothing comes from a test tube. And I’ve learned over the years to be very, very leery of any kind of medication that comes from a test tube, because to my observation, almost all of it, maybe a hundred percent of it is toxic. The body is not designed to take the chemicals that are being put into our medicines. And the idea of course, everybody knows that, is that well, we have to run little risk. I mean this person is sick, they’re going to die. And if we don’t take care of their cancer, let’s just use that as an example. If we don’t use chemotherapy to poison out the cancer, he’s going to die anyway. So the trick is how do we kill the cancer just before we kill the patient with the chemotherapy, you know? And usually they don’t succeed. The actual cause of death, the actual real cause of immediate death is the chemotherapy or the radiation or something else very toxic. This is modern medicine. This is western medicine. When I finally came to the realization of that, which was another epiphany, another red pill in my life, and it changed my life completely. I think it’s probably the reason I’m here today at age 91.

MARTIN: Yeah. Yeah. What’s important truly is of course, as we are now living in the industrial age, industrial society with its rising and accumulating levels of toxic stuff in the air, water, food, everywhere. Taking it out of the human body, which is a natural accumulator, because we don’t have a very good design to get rid of toxic things. Then getting the external help from something like the Folium is really useful because taking the toxins out is going to allow normal function to return.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. That’s the old line that these things probably don’t heal. These things that we find in nature are not healers, per se. What they actually do is to get rid of the blockages to healing. And let the body do the healing. Yeah.<affirmative> Restore the body’s potential back to its full capacity to heal. Because we have a cut, it bleeds for a few minutes, and then the first thing you know it stops bleeding. Well, we didn’t do that. It stopped bleeding because that’s the body’s function to clot. And first thing you know, we’ve got a scab and no more bacteria can get past the scab. It’s a miracle process. We can see it on our hands, and it happens in our bodies and our brains, everything. And so it’s the body that heals. It’s not the medications.

MARTIN: Right. So, have you used the product for some time?

G ED Griffin: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I guess for at least 20 years or thereabouts. If I have to put a number on it. Yeah. I’ve used it, and I’ve seen it used by people that needed it more than I. I had a young lady working for me for quite a while. It was my assistant, and oh, she had terrible cancers all over her body, because she had been, before she came to work for me, she was living in an area where there was a nuclear meltdown here in the Los Angeles area up in the hills. They had the first nuclear reactor, it actually was up there. Nobody knew it. And they had a meltdown. And they covered it up for years.

MARTIN: It did not make the news, did it?

G ED Griffin: No, it didn’t make the news. Eventually it did, of course. But by this time, there are a lot of people that paid the ultimate price. And she was one of those that went up into that area and downwind from it to do hiking almost every day. A little walk in the hills where the air was fresh and clean, right? <Laugh>. So she’s up on this hillside, not realizing there’s a nuclear reactor up on the top of the hill, and it blew. And all of this dirt and radioactive stuff came down. She breathed it into her body. She got it into her eyes and into her system. And when she had her blood tested for heavy metals, it just was like causing a geiger counter to bend the needle. She was loaded with the radiation. And so she went on this Folium pX and the reduction was marked. It was, I hate to put a percentage on it, but my recollection is it was about a 90% or more reduction of radioactive residue in her system, just from this simple Folium pX. It’s amazing.

MARTIN: Yeah. Wonderful. So, as you’re just saying, it reminds me that you actually had done quite a bit of research into cancer in your day, right?

G ED Griffin: Well, yeah. I wrote a book on it. <Laugh> And that was an accident too, I suppose. As I told you, what my bias was that if I ever got sick, I’d just call a doctor and, and pay his price. He’s the guy that fixes me. Well, <laugh> it turns out that one of my best friends at that time was a doctor. And I had this opinion about him. I thought, I’ve got a good friend who’s a doctor. If I need a good doctor, it’s easy. I just call him on the phone and he’ll be out. Well, it turns out that he called me on the phone, and he wanted to have a meeting, and we did. And he needed some help because he was in trouble with the medical authorities. He was using a substance from nature, not from a test tube, but from nature in the treatment of cancer.

G ED Griffin: And he was having amazing success with it. And then the minute that the medical authorities found out that he was using something that didn’t come from the pharmaceutical industry, that didn’t have FDA approval, and they threatened to take his license and shut him down. And that’s when he called me and said Ed, I need your help to help me write an article for the newspaper or a magazine or something so I can explain how this substance works and the kind of positive results I’ve been getting, and get these guys off my back so I can get back to work and saving lives. So I said, sure. His name was John Richardson, by the way. He was an MD in the San Francisco area. So I said sure, John. I’d be glad to help. Let’s spend a day on it, and you show me what I need to know, and I’ll help you write the article. Well, little did I know what I was getting into.

MARTIN: This was the idealistic days of believing that Richard Nixon said that we are going to wage the war on cancer that he actually meant it.

G ED Griffin: Yes. That’s exactly where I was coming from. I thought, this is, the minute people find out that there’s something in nature that is saving lives at a 3000% higher rate than chemotherapy and radiation. Why, they’ll be glad to hear it. <Laugh>. No.

MARTIN: Well, the people would be glad to hear it, right?

G ED Griffin: Yeah. But they never heard of it, because it would be prohibited. The newspapers wouldn’t carry it. The medical association condemned it, unapproved treatment, it said. Well, it was true. It was unapproved. It was unapproved and they tried to make it sound that there was no proof because it was unapproved. They said, there’s no proof. Well, the proof was in the living people walking around that were well, who should have been dead otherwise. So anyway, I didn’t realize how much voltage was in that wire I was about to grab hold of. And that was the beginning of quite an education for me, talking to doctors like John Richardson and the discoverer of this substance called amygdalin, at least the inventor of it, in it so far as it was used in the treatment of cancer. His name was Dr. Ernst T Krebs Jr.

G ED Griffin: And he was not an MD. His father was an MD, but he was a PhD, on and on and on. I got to meet all these big brains that understood all this stuff, and I had to try to absorb the knowledge from them. Fortunately, I had some time, I spent a few years on that project, and I was able to come up with the book: World Without Cancer, the story of Vitamin B17. And I was kind of frightened at the beginning, because that’s not my background. And I thought, boy when they get hold of this book that I’ve written on a matter like this of life and death, and they’re going to find all kinds of errors and mistakes and shortcoming of my knowledge, they’re going to make a fool out of me. But it never happened because it turned out that the research was correct, and all the technical data was correct.

G ED Griffin: And never really got any serious pushback except denial. It’s just the medical profession said, well, it is quackery! And if you ask them, well why is it quackery? Well, it’s quackery because it’s unapproved. And it was a vicious circle. Anyway, I’m perhaps wandering too much on this. That was my introduction to the health world. And I realized, well my golly! If I ever got cancer, and I went to an oncologist, a typical oncologist. He’s going to load me down with everything that’s toxic. He’s going to try and kill the cancer just before he kills me. And that’s the way it worked. I didn’t know that. And so it was a good thing my friend, Dr. Richardson was not in that category. And so that was an awakening for me. And I mean it sincerely, if it hadn’t been for that episode, I probably wouldn’t be here today because it allowed me to be skeptical, properly skeptical of cures that come out of a test tube.

MARTIN: Hmm. Yeah. I’ve had a similar experience myself when I discovered the cure to fibromyalgia. And first I had to learn that the word cure was forbidden and I couldn’t use it.

G ED Griffin: Yeah.

MARTIN: Second, I had to learn that if the FDA owns the rights to the word cure, mitigate, prevent, treat, and if I were to use any of those words in connection with any one thing, it defined it as drug, and drug had to be tested in a double blind study against itself or something else. And these studies of course, they were about 250 million dollars to get it from not known to known. And who’s going to invest 250 million into studying something that is natural, unpatentable that anybody can just extract from nature. Right?

G ED Griffin: That’s it. Once you understand that issue right there, everything falls into place.

MARTIN: Yeah and so once you click. Anyway, so when I discovered the cure for fibromyalgia, I wanted to share it with the world. And people that get this, typically women, suffer greatly. And so I would tell them, I know the answer to this, and they would say, well, if this was the real answer, why is it not in the mainstream? Why don’t I read about it in the newspaper?

G ED Griffin: Yeah.

MARTIN: You have to be lying. You have to be a quack. You have to be trying to cheat us out of our money. You cynical prick.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. It was a psychological game and you couldn’t play the game because you didn’t have enough money.

MARTIN: Right. So what I am wanting to say with this little tirade is that here’s an example of a researcher with impeccable qualifications who can confirm for you that a discovery can be sidelined with this phenomenally effective method of ignorance. It’s as if the American Medical Association were like an elephant, and we were like a fly or a bird that would be trying to get something done, and the elephant just rolls over and just says, I don’t care about you.

G ED Griffin: Mm-hmm.

MARTIN: <affirmative> That sort of attitude. Right? Like they ignore us quite effectively. Right? They just shut us out of the public discourse, out of the news, out of the whatever we now have on the internet. Back then it was the print radio tv.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. Right. <affirmative> That’s right.

MARTIN: Mm-hmm. <affirmative> Like your World Without Cancer book. I don’t know, how many copies do you think you sold?

G ED Griffin: I’m guessing about, probably 600,000, something like that.

MARTIN: Right. And considering that about 35% of people in America die of cancer, it should have been about a hundred million.

G ED Griffin: <laugh>. Well..

MARTIN: Right. No. I’m just saying it for the effect to say that this book should be the most famous thing. Because it’s a very popular issue. Dying of cancer is not fun. And it happens a lot.

G ED Griffin: Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

MARTIN: Right?

G ED Griffin: Yeah. Well, that’s true. It’s because the pharmaceutical industry is the big advertiser on media. And so none of the networks, none of the major channels are going to do anything that upsets their money flow for advertising. So they just play the game, and they pretend like your information doesn’t exist, or they’ll go all the way and portray you as a quack, because that’s the official story. Yeah. It’s this old story and it works so well every time. I remember when my friend Dr. John, who fought the establishment all the way. One day they raided his office and they found this substance in his possession. You’d think it was dope or something. He’s got much more dangerous things than that. This is something that grows in grasses and seeds.

G ED Griffin: This is not something that comes out of the Devil’s cookbook, <laugh>. And anyway, they found Amygdalin. And then where did they get it? Well, it came out of Mexico. Oh! That means it was probably smuggled into the United States, which it wasn’t by the way. There were people that would just bring in quantity so that it could be used on the patients. So by the time they got in the newspaper, it was “Local doctor is pushing illegal smuggled drugs on cancer patients who were dying like flies.” You know, stuff like that. And I remember when they came and raided him, of course the people that were conducting the raid, notified the press ahead of time, so there’d be lots of press coverage. That’s what they were doing it for.

G ED Griffin: So they were there at his office before the police arrived and ready for the show. And of course they covered it with lots of photography and video, and you turn on your TV that night and you see a picture of this doctor. He’s a wonderful man, most principled guy I’ve ever met. He’s walking out with hands behind his back and handcuffs being pushed into a police car. And everybody thought he was a drug dealer or something like that. And I remember talking to people shortly after that, they’d say to me, did you hear what happened to Dr. Richardson? I said, yes. They said, it seems so awful. I mean, he seemed like such a nice person.<Laugh>.

MARTIN: And he was a nice person.

G ED Griffin: And he was a nice person.

MARTIN: He remained a nice person.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. But by the time they got through scrubbing him through the media, he was a drug dealer and a thief, and killing people for money. And that’s how it works.

MARTIN: Yep. And then came your next lesson, right?

G ED Griffin: Yes.

MARTIN: Then came the lesson about the real cause of it all. Haha <laugh> which is the, Rothschild said it. Rothschild said it well. If you give me control over money, I don’t care who writes the laws.

G ED Griffin: Right. That’s right. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.

MARTIN: Yeah. I’d like you to sort of explain to the audience just how it really is out there that well, what makes this world go around?

G ED Griffin: Well, the answer that first comes to mind is money, of course. But let’s notch it down one level deeper.

MARTIN: All right.

G ED Griffin: What is money? Money is power. They say money and power are interchangeable, but it’s not quite true in my mind, at least. Because the only reason money is sought after is because it represents power. it’s power over other people. It’s the power to retain the services of others. So the more money you have, the more people you can return their loyalty and their services. You can hire armies, you can buy politicians easily. If you’re making them money. So that’s why money is so important to people. But money isn’t bad in itself because it can be used for good things as well as bad things. But unfortunately, in the real world where we live, I mean, some of the most evil people in the world have spent their lives becoming some of the most wealthy people in the world. And they have found that there are certain industries that make that easy.

G ED Griffin: And the two most profitable, or the three most profitable industries are dominated by the same dynasties now. And those three industries are healthcare, Munitions and money or banking. And the same people, if you look deeply enough, are actually astride all three of those industries. So now we’re talking about power, total power over the human race. And with that money, they’re able to control the media, and the educational system, which means that the stuff that we learn, the information we get on our news programs and things like that are all controlled. And I don’t care how smart you are or how virtuous you are, if you get false information, you’re going to come to false conclusions about which side of an argument is the valid side. So this is what we’re up against. And money, as you started to say, is close to the root of all of this. Because it enables a very small number of people to dominate the majority of the population of the world.

G ED Griffin: So that’s what we’re up against. And I didn’t realize that either. I was naive about money. I didn’t think much about money as a young guy. I thought, well, I’d like to have more of it, and that’s about it. How do I make more of it and keep more of it, and then spend more of it the way I want to. I never thought about who controls it, who determines how much is made, who determines how much interest is paid on it. Who determines the quantity of it, when it’s released, who handles it? All these things. I never questioned because I thought, well I think there’s something called the Federal Reserve System. And that’s a government agency, isn’t it? Well it isn’t, but I thought it was. And surely a government agency will look out for my best interests. I don’t have to know about things like this. I don’t have to know about that technical stuff. They’ll take care of it for me. Another huge mistake, you know? You’re referring to my stumbling into the story of the Federal Reserve System and the central Banks of the world. And yeah that’s about as close to the core of Ultimate Power as you’re going to get.

MARTIN: Yeah well we should mention the title, in fact, well, the Creature from Jekyll Island is the title of the book. Is it purchasable? Where do people, where can people get it now?

G ED Griffin: Oh. <Laugh>. Well, yeah. We ran out all of a sudden here a few weeks ago, not a few weeks, a few months ago actually. And we were told that the result of this covid nonsense and all the supply problems that the paper wasn’t available to reprint. So normally it takes us about two, two and a half weeks to make a printing of a book like that. And we’ve gone through, I don’t know, 80 some printings, a lot of printing. It’s amazing. But all of a sudden we had to wait two or three months for the next printing. So we’ve just gotten them back into stock now. But prior to this COVID nonsense and all of that funny business about squeezing down the supply lines and stuff like that, we were able to put out a new printing in a couple of weeks time.

G ED Griffin: And I think that as of now, considering the foreign printings as well, because we do have, to my amazement, publishers in other countries have wanted to publish the book as well. So we have editions in German and French and Czechoslovakian and Japanese, and we’re even getting a contract up for one in Chinese. <laugh>. So altogether it’s a little over a million copies, which just blows my mind. I can’t believe a book like that, which I thought would be boring to a lot of people. Suddenly they realize that money is power, and the fact that especially nowadays, the fact that they’re trying to get rid of the old money system and replace it with something called digital currency. Central Bank.

MARTIN: Okay. Yeah. Let’s talk about that in a bit. So I think, again, the people who are in charge of the financial system would dearly love for this book to never have been put out, right? Because it explains to people the way they have been co-opted into or as enslaved into this system.

G ED Griffin: Well, I think that’s, I’m going to say that’s obvious. They would not want this story told.

MARTIN: Right. It is. But they do, they do quite well in helping to suppress the availability.

G ED Griffin: Well, yeah. I don’t think that was directed particularly at my book, as it was just that books in general. They want to destroy the economy everywhere so that people will be on their knees begging for food and shelter and healthcare and so forth. That’s really what’s going on now in my view, is they’re trying to destroy, destroy, destroy, and put people out of work, give them a guaranteed annual income so that they’ll be happy now. But that means that they have to do exactly what they’re told or they will starve. So that’s what the game plan is. And so they didn’t really care about my book. I think in the beginning, 1969, I think it was, it was published. They would’ve just assumed that the book did not exist. Now I think they feel they’ve, there’s so much in control. They have so much power, so much money, so much control over the media, so much control over what you and I are allowed to do. But they don’t care anymore.

MARTIN: Feeling stronger.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. What are you going to do about it? What are you going to do about it?

MARTIN: Yeah. Yeah. That’s sort of like the bully in the room. He’s got 200 pounds extra weight on you. Yeah.<affirmative> You can do all you want. <laugh>He’s just laughing at you. Right. That’s my elephant and sparrow metaphor.

G ED Griffin: Yeah.

MARTIN: Um, okay. Well still, I think it would be useful for people to get a copy and learn it and have themselves an awakening.

G ED Griffin: They have to do that if they want to survive, because it’s going to get worse before it gets better. It’s going to get better, but…

MARTIN: Okay. So Ed, where do they get the book?

G ED Griffin: Well, now that we have it back in stock, it should be available on Amazon. I should be available in any large bookstore. But certainly it is available from our own website, which is www.realityzone.com.

MARTIN: All right. We’ll put a link to that.

G ED Griffin: You can buy it directly from us. Yeah.

MARTIN: We’ll put a link directly to you so you can get your full price rather than give the cut to the others.

G ED Griffin: <laugh> It’s all the same. I’m just so happy that people are reading the book. There even have been, there’s one, what would you call it? A pirated version that I’m aware of.

MARTIN: Really? Somebody’s actually printing your book?

G ED Griffin: They’re circulating…

MARTIN: To get the extra $2 that you would get?

G ED Griffin: Yeah. And you know, I’m a little bit peeved about that, but it’s not the money. I’m just thinking to myself, isn’t that cool that somebody wants to get this book out so badly that they would do that? It’s nice to have people like that helping to distribute the word, you know? And that’s really, when you think about it, that’s a better marketing model than the old one. When we first started out, we’d make a documentary film or an audio recording, and we put this warning on the beginning of it. Warning! FBI warning! If you pirate, if you make a copy of this without permission in writing from the author, we’re going to burn down your house and we’re going to take your children, whatever the threat was, you know? Nobody paid any attention to that.

G ED Griffin: They just did what they wanted to do anyway. But then we changed our attitude. This was about 10, 12 years ago. And we said, okay, here it is, these recordings. We want to get the word out. Please pirate this, make copies, give it to your friends. All we ask is that you just pay for the one, the first one, and then as long as you give it away free, we’ll give away a million of them. And it would make us very happy. And all of a sudden, once we changed our tone, why our sales went up! <Laugh> Instead of down. Fantastic, okay. <affirmative> Yeah. It’s human nature.

MARTIN: Mm. Interesting. So you just popped into this, the digital currency introduction and where it’s headed, right? This next evolution of, previously we would have the financiers or the managers of the money just create money out of thin air and put it into their pocket so that we could borrow it from them, right?

G ED Griffin: Or something like that. Yeah.

MARTIN: So now the next evolution of that whole thing is that not only do they control the birth, but they control it at every phase of its existence. Right?

G ED Griffin: Yeah. You won’t even be able to stick it in your mattress anymore cause it’s digital. You won’t be able to carry it around in your pocket and buy a stick of chewing gum without the sale being recorded. And not only that, but how much you paid for the chewing gum, what brand it was, and where you were at the time you bought it. Right down to the second. I mean, it was part of a tremendous surveillance system for every human being on the planet. Cause everything that they’re going to need to survive, will have to be transacted through this Central Bank Digital Currency. And it’s being sold to the people as though, isn’t that wonderful? It’s going to be so convenient, why even people in third world countries will be able to have credit cards or chips in their hand or something.

G ED Griffin: They’ll be able to buy things. They’ll be able to join the new world and everything. And being sold is a great convenience. And in some ways maybe there would be some convenience to it, but the penalty, the price on the other side is so fantastic. You will be complete slaves of the masters of this currency. If they don’t like what you’re doing or saying. You won’t be able to buy food, pay your rent, get gasoline, travel, you won’t have anything. You’ll be on the street corner begging for tidbits from people walking by and they probably won’t want to even be seen talking to you because that would be bad on their credit score and they might wind up next to you. Complete slavery is what we’re heading toward.

MARTIN: I was thinking that if it’s all digital, the beggar would have to be begging for a digital dollar. But that’s not transferable because you can’t transfer it into an account that’s closed.

G ED Griffin: That’s right. He’s begging for a slice of bread.

MARTIN: Yes. That. Yeah. I’d have to buy, I don’t know what, breakfast on my account and hand it to the person.

G ED Griffin: Exactly. Yeah.

MARTIN: Yeah. And if I am seen to be buying a breakfast right next to the forbidden person, I might end up being on the forbidden list just by proxy.

G ED Griffin: They’ll give you one chance to never do that again. And if you’re seen doing that again, you’d be on the street with the other person.

MARTIN: Yeah. Oh, the prospect of that is pretty terrible. I was contemplating how does Mr. Rockefeller and his ilk feel about us other people? And I was thinking it probably is a relationship that a rancher has to his cattle. He probably thinks of his cattle as, yeah they’re valuable. They deserve protection. They’re going to try and keep the coyotes away and keep the gopher holes from breaking their legs and all that. But come October, they’ll just round them up and load them on trucks and send them where they belong, right? No hard feelings. That’s why I raised you, I raised you for the hide and the meat. Off with you.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. We gave you a good life while you were here.

MARTIN: Yep. Yeah. I will protect you while you’re here, but no hard feelings at the end.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. But don’t do anything we don’t want you to do in the meantime. Otherwise you’ll be hamburger a lot sooner than you are scheduled for.

MARTIN: Yeah. Yeah. Don’t be breaking your leg because that’s going to be the end of you right now.

G ED Griffin: Right. And that’s a pretty good analogy. I think I agree with you totally on that. That’s how they do think of us, as cattle. Farm animals. Our utility. And if we get too old, or too feeble or we’re handicapped mentally, then we’ve got to be eliminated.

MARTIN: Yeah. Or too rambunctious and ornery, or inconvenient.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. If you start knocking down fence posts, you got to be eliminated.

MARTIN: Yeah. Whew. So how do we wake people up? I mean, you have been trying now for 50 years.

G ED Griffin: Well, there’s only one way to do it, and that’s to make sure you’ve got the truth. Which isn’t as easy, I found out as I thought it would be. I’m still learning that I have certain cherished beliefs that I have to occasionally look at very carefully and say, whoops, there goes another one. But as long as we’re dealing with what we honestly believe and see as truth, that’s number one. Number two, that we don’t act in fear. That’s number two. Because if we’re in fear that something’s going to happen to us, then we’ll stop promoting, we’ll stop talking, we’ll stop fighting, and then the last of our chances will disappear. And the other thing is just keep spreading the word. That’s all we can do. Because the only thing on our side, and I shouldn’t say the only thing, the strongest thing on our side is the strongest of all.

G ED Griffin: And that is we have the numbers, and now it’s true that this elite, they have control of the military and all the secret weapons, chemical warfare, drones, all these things that certainly will be, or can be unleashed against people like us when the time comes. But there just comes a point where the numbers of opposition become too great for even that, because there’ll be defectors from the inside. The young people, the kids of these elite, some of them will have conscience. And they’ll see something, like this fellow Yuri Bezmenov who I interviewed some years ago who was a KGB defector from the Soviet Union, was born into a family of great prestige. His father was a general in the Soviet army, and they lived like kings and he had no worries about food or shelter. They lived in a nice home.

G ED Griffin: I’m sure they had chauffeurs to drive them wherever they wanted to go, and military cars and so forth. And yet, even though with all of this privilege, he defected. Because he could not stand to see the hypocrisy, and the destruction of human values and human potential and privacy and the torture and the cruelty that came out of all of this. So he had great risk to his life, came over to the other side. This happens more than people realize, even though they’re born into a position of affluence in a tyrannical system. There’s something I think deep down in most of us, not all, but most of us, where that’s not going to work forever. We have to rise against it and confess and purge ourselves from having been associated with it.

MARTIN: Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. I think we would associate these personality traits with sociopathic, or narcissistic personalities, right? Now you need to be one of those in order to just live your life.

G ED Griffin: Well, it’s interesting that you mentioned that because I just finished reading a book two nights ago on the Tavistock organization that was in England, one of the first brainwashing institutions following World War II, where they really took the scientists from Nazi Germany who had perfected some very basic psychological techniques to control people. And some of them went to England, some of them came to the US and former Nazis all of a sudden were on the government payroll, on our side. And what started off as the Tavistock Institute later became MK Ultra and so forth, programs like that, which are still continuing. They’re horrendous programs, they’re horrible. And in this book, it described how, even back in the very beginning, people didn’t just wind up on the payroll of these organizations randomly. They were carefully selected, and they were put through a testing period to see if they were qualified, if they were ruthless enough, in other words, to actually serve in the ranks as enforcers.

G ED Griffin: Yes. I hadn’t focused on it, it’s logical. The closest thing I could think of it, prior to reading that book, was the fact that the SS officers in the Gestapo and in the Nazi party all had to be trained. And I think it was a three or four month training. And when they first signed up, they were each given a dog, a puppy, and they had to take care of that dog for the entire period of their training, feed it, groom it, and walk it, you know, became very close to it. The idea being that they couldn’t help it becoming very close to their dog. And then on graduation point, they had to kill the dog. They had to slit its throat.

MARTIN: Oh, not just shoot it, just actually slit its throat.

G ED Griffin: Actually slit its throat. Yeah.

MARTIN: Very personal.

G ED Griffin: Very personal, up close and personal. Yeah. Very bloody. And if they couldn’t do it, they were out. Only those who could do it would be accepted into the SS program. I thought, okay, that’s what Travistock was developing because they were talking about doing testing on these people who were applying to be part of the program, and they were looking for those that had a sadistic side to them. If they didn’t rate high enough on sadism, they didn’t make it at all. I thought, isn’t that amazing?

MARTIN: Yeah. This is how selective breeding works, right?

G ED Griffin: Yeah.

MARTIN: Okay. So as I’m thinking about it, I’m thinking that money is like oxygen to the economy, right? If oxygen for me is the exchange medium of life. I mean, there’s water and other things, but oxygen, without oxygen, we go away quick. I’m thinking that money is like oxygen to the economy. So wherever I put my money, is I’m feeding the flame of whatever I want to sustain. So we in our millions and billions do have the power to snuff out that which we don’t like, but we have to withdraw our support from it.
G ED Griffin: Yeah. And easier said than done, because…

MARTIN: No joke.

G ED Griffin: How many people do we know, including ourselves, who have said in all sincerity, I will never support a slave labor operation. And yet every day we go to the store, we buy stuff made in China, and it’s slave labor in China. Not all of it. But a huge amount.

MARTIN: That’s the thing. I cannot tell apart the part of China I want to support and the part of China I want to not support.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. Yeah. So what about we said, I’m not going to buy a foreign made car. I’m going to buy an American made car, made in America, but 90% of the parts are made in China.

MARTIN: Or Mexico, or they’re..

G ED Griffin: Assembled in Mexico. And we buy the car because it’s an American car. So it’s easier said than done. How do you withhold your money or your economic transactions when your enemy is everywhere?

MARTIN: Okay. Well, at least I could choose, for example, to choke off Walmart by not shopping there.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. Right.

MARTIN: If I didn’t like Walmart, which I’m ambivalent about that myself, but I don’t know.

G ED Griffin: Yeah. Well I wouldn’t argue against that, but I think that there are more productive avenues of our efforts than that. And that would be to organize opposition, not to be passive, but to be assertive, to be proactive, to find candidates for office. Don’t wait until election time and say, well, let’s see who’s running, who am I going to vote for? By the time you see who is running, it’s over. Because all the candidates by that time have been purchased by the same people. So you get to choose between left and right, or Republican versus Democrat, or whatever you think you’re choosing, but it’s all controlled by the same bosses. But we can pick our own candidates, we can start at the county levels. I’ve done quite a bit of research on this, and we’re beginning to do that with what we call campuses of Red Pill University. It’s surprisingly easy to gain controlling influence over a county board of supervisors and get your own people in there. If you select your people, not wait and see who is going to be put up as a candidate by somebody else, you select your own people. And almost in every case, these will be people who do not want to run.

MARTIN: Yes, they do. Because it’s a lousy job, right.

G ED Griffin: A lousy job, and they don’t want all that stuff. But if you find somebody that can hardly wait to be elected to public office, probably it’s not the guy or gal that you really are looking for. So this is, you just don’t wait and see how it all turns out. You have to be assertive and aggressive, proactive in all of this.

MARTIN: Mmmm. All right. Well, I was hoping that you would say something like, make sure that you choose your products carefully and you choose your vendors carefully, and here we are,

G ED Griffin: <laugh>. Well, I think that’s a good idea, but I don’t think that’s going to win the war.

MARTIN: Yeah. I think you’re right. It’s probably just a small battle, but yeah, it’s just saying that, you know, here we are because of Folium and we would like to thank Folium for sponsoring this event, and we would like them to be honored because after all, we all need to detox.

G ED Griffin: Yes.

MARTIN: And if you have the choice and enjoy these conversations, we would like you to come back and get your health supplements here.

G ED Griffin: Sure. Well, that’s the way it works. And you can build a customer base, a loyalty base, but it’s usually based on knowledge. Well, let’s just take Folium for example. What makes me so enthusiastic over Folium? It’s not just that it works, which is big, but it’s because it works on the basis of a principle that I understand and I totally endorse, it’s nature at work, it’s non-toxic. And it’s not patented. Somebody else could make one just like it, and wouldn’t that be great? Sorry Babry about that. But there would be competition then. And the prices would be seeking its lowest possible level, and the quality would be seeking the highest possible level in order to gain the market. That’s the magic of the free market. But it’s not just because it works, although that is a very important thing too.

MARTIN: All right. I could easily imagine talking to you for another hour, but I think, I don’t want to overstay my welcome.

G ED Griffin: Well, I think I might have done the same thing. You get me off on these topics and it’s pretty hard to shut me up. Anyway, thanks for inviting me. I hope your viewers have gotten something of value out of it, and I’m looking forward to being back.

MARTIN: Yes. I would love to actually do a deeper dive on whatever you think about the world, because I think you have had the time and the wisdom and the talent to think deeply about things that are worth considering as we’re spinning around on this little blue marble in space and greater, I don’t know what universe,

G ED Griffin: Yeah. Someday.

MARTIN: Mr Ed Griffin and his books, take a note. Again, this was the World without Cancer and the Creature From Jekyll Island. Those are well worth reading. Take my word for it.

G ED Griffin: Wow. Thank you Martin. Thank you very much.

MARTIN: This is Martin Pytela for Life-Enthusiast.com. Reach me at (866)543-3388. Thank you, Mr. Griffin.


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