I have done experiments with extremely small amounts of chlorine where the amount is chemically undetectable. When grown on a bean sprouts compared to a water where I have dechlorinated chemically, the bean sprouts growth differences was 600%. If I just left the chlorine to evaporate out for days and tested with my bean sprouts growth the differences is smaller when compared against tap water which was only 100% versus a water that was chemically rid of chlorine.

Because of this experiments and my dog's heart problems (which was cured when chlorine was eliminated), all my drinking water are chemically treated to rid of chlorine entirely. (Chemically treated chlorine are converted to a chloride form to cause a by product namely sodium sulfate and sodium chloride).

Again, I knew the largest chick raising farm in the country and they have showed me research that even in small amounts of chlorine even with the filtering processes, chick's heart disease is common. When it is treated to rid completely of chlorine heart disease and stunting of growth was virtually eliminated. There were more studies in U.S. which also indicated a relationship between chlorinated water and heart diseases was clearly apparent. I don't know why this information is not known by the general population.

The experiments did not end there. I went further to test on my plants between tap water (tap water where I live have chlorine, although the amounts is so small it is chemically undetectable. There is also no chlorine smell at all here. But still tap water per jasmine plant produces about 10-15 flowers/ week. But when the chlorine is chemically removed, I now get 20-30 flowers PER DAY! The differences is so mathematically large, that I no longer have to assume little bit of chlorine is O.K.

Just imagine that the livestock industry is WELL AWARE that pigs and chickens, and especially ducks, the stunting of growth was apparent from chlorine alone, besides the heart disease is more than enough convincing evidence for me that chlorinated water is totally unsafe even at a level chemically undetectable.

Chemically speaking chlorine competes with iodine and to be honest with you the majority of population do have hypothyroidism, even in the U.S. So chlorine isn't even safe.

In case you want to know how I treat my water, as in all my previous posting, I used sodium thiosulfate. add one drop of 10% solution to all my drinking water (per liter or so). I have even gone so far as to recommend people with seborrheic dermatitis, chronic fatigue syndrome and lupus, to drink dechlorinated water. For some reason, chlorinated water suppresses the immune system.

Let's not even talk about fluoride!

Parhat

I have tried chemically treating, filtering, outgassing, even using distilled for removal of chlorine. Filtering does not eliminate entirely the chlorine. Outgassing was not totally eliminated. You can use more advance NMR/GC/MS and other equipment and you will still find it, but every methods varies with chlorine content. In fact the Guinness World's Record holder that grew the world's largest plant and the inventor of sonic blooms mentions that chlorine and fluorine stunts plant growth - by a large factor. This is not exclusively limited to just the plant kingdom, it also effects metabolically active birds as well as fishes. It's one of those "trade secrets" that large manufacturer will not reveal and I am risking being sued if I reveal more details to you any more than this.

I have also used rain water and distilled water (added with mineral humic acid), that seems to work the best as well as use of sodium thiosulfate. So if you have any academic disagreement, you can try other methods. Since sodium thiosulfate is so small in the ppm range, sometimes ppb, the point of it all I am trying to tell you is that CHLORINE is not safe that's the gist of the argument.

Rain water, mountain spring water, distilled water treated with humic acids, seems to work best when tested with bean sprouts or on animals.

I will not rule out the possibility of ORMUS. It is always there. Chlorine just simply breaks the water structure. Fluorine is another dreadful subject.

I will not rule out electromagnetic influences, IT IS ALWAYS there. In fact the use of blender charger, or subjecting water to electromagnetic current is beneficial, even scalar waves. But the point before treating, you must REMOVE the chlorine - again that is what my own research revealed. You are free to disprove this theory and I would be most grateful if you point out my mistakes.

Any method is fine for elimination of chlorine, distilled water (plus humic), one drop of sodium thiosulfate per liter or 10 liter did equally well. For me distilled water with added mineral humic acid and sodium thiosulfate seems to work best.

If you find a better method than this I would be most pleased. The adding of sodium thiosulfate ppm shows a drop of 10-20% in ORP (oxidation reduction potential) which is biologically beneficial. In fact I have a person who had dark circles under her eyes and cloudy skin and after about 2-3 weeks of drinking water with a drop of 10% sodium thiosulfate solution to the drinking water, her skin cleared up. This is not an isolated case either of the unusual health benefits I have witnessed here, there are much more. So much that this single posts will not cover and I am afraid it is way too off topic for the subject of ORMUS.

Sodium thiosulfate is found in great abundance in hot springs mineral water which gives it the sulfur smell and traditionally this is a place where people with various conditions come for treatment. If you bothered to measure the ORP it is about the same as pre-treating your water with sodium thiosulfate. How much is needed? Well you need a reference hot springs mineral water from your own area. Keep adding it until you get the same ORP reading as you do with drinking water and you are quite close to duplicating nature's medicine. While you are at it, get an NMR and subjected to electromagnetic gauss until you get the same water angles if you have the NMR handy!

So once you eliminate the chlorine, by any means you see fit, it is best to restructure your water electromagnetically.

Thank you for that question. And yes I have tried hydrogen peroxide, ascorbic acid, sodium ascorbate, but they don't work as well. Of course, there might be some others which I have not yet tested, such as MSM, and DMSO, which may also attack chlorine. Again, you are free to try it again since I test them out rather hastily. However what was totally unexpected was the treatment of electrical charge of water on bean sprouts growth using "energized water" on chlorine breaking structure. You can go to the links here to do you at your own home. However, energized water does not eliminate the chlorine, but does deactivate the chlorine structure breaking (my theory). 

Sodium thiosulfate works best because in nature hot mineral spring water and miracle healing water, are found in abundance. While chlorine might be a problem, there is something about the sodium thiosulfate also that seems to have therapeutic effects on many health related conditions (arthritis, etc.) which I cannot deny. (Sodium thiosulfate is also used as an antidote for many poisons). There are other possible chemical which you are free to try: MSM (methylsulfonymethane) and DMSO (dimethylsulfoxide) which I have not yet tested it out. MSM is not available here where I lived.

Sodium thiosulfate also lowers the ORP (oxidation reduction potential). One single drop in a liter will lower it by 10%-20% ORP which is amazing. For those Microhydrin (or Megahydrin) fans, I can make a very low biologically active water by adding ascorbic acid plus baking soda. ORP is at least -300. Asian people do not age as fast as western people primarily because there diets, (might be asian's eating fresh foods vs. western canned/preserve foods) caused their urinary ORP to be in the negative zone. Mine (I live in Thailand) is always between -60 to -30 ORP. However most western diets, urinary ORP is always positive +50 to +100 (just a ball park figure). When you are "oxidizing" your body is lacking in electrons so aging becomes accelerated. Some research was done measuring carotenoid levels. It turns out that asians had the highest carotenoid levels when compared against caucasians, hipanics etc. primarily because Asians ate more fresh fruits and vegetables, which are high in carotenoid (antioxidants primarily from fresh plants).

Again, must apologize in advanced as I might not answer all your questions since I am usually not active in participating as I would like.

The initial experiment was to prove chlorine's effect on growth. The plant came quite healthy no longer "stringy" if proper nutrients were added. We scientist test one variable at a time - sorry. In this case the experiments objective at least at the time was to prove the chlorination toxicity on living objects. The conclusion was clear.

However what was unusual that obstructed my experiments was the OTHER variables came into play that I have TRIED to separate, e.g. ORMUS effects, Electromagnetic fields, electric fields (from energized water), memory effect of water, the beneficial effects of sodium thiosulfate on biological entities, and magnetic effects.

There was one additional one that seemed to influenced plant growth but haven't tried it yet: scalar electromagnetic fields, which may have a direct influence on ORMUS production since ORMUS are quantum stuff and so is scalar fields. Which makes for a very interesting experiments is a caduceus coil or a mobius coil was applied to create EM fields that are of non-conventional wave. I get better ORMUS production yields through that. Again wasn't serious at the time since I didn't expect anything, but it turns out to e just the opposite.

There was a clear scientific proof that scalar EM fields does indeed have much more biological effects than conventional one and because of its strong relationship to quantum mechanics I am sure the ORMUS will be related to its effectiveness when it is in a water solution and proper frequencies are applied. So if you want to further improve (I do), than you can just read the patent application and try the scalar EM fields instead of a conventional electromagnetic fields stated in the U.S. patents.

Because of these OTHER variables and the need for scientist to control them, and test them, we have to test THESE as well. And to my surprise (and TOTAL dismay - more work) they all have an effect on bean sprout growth, significant enough for our health and my plants. So because of this, if you want to look further, the application of scalar EM is another area that has an effect on water structure (besides chlorine) - which breaks down the structure. So they boil down to the same issue: water structure.

As to the pentagon question. Some people's theory just seems off and I am one of those "hexagon" people. While I do not accept the patent's theories, I cannot deny the fact that the method works. Again the hex or penta is another matter. I still have to focus on one variable at at time and as you can see there many many variables are influencing them and greatly may I add that I have to do some more studies on these.

It has recently come to my attention during bean sprouts experiments that my germination (faster) and plant growth were even more accelerated by subjecting the plants to alternating magnetic fields such like the vortex water or Ron Cusson's work on blender charger. The newer patents offers your more greater precision in applying your drinking water to be more biologically effective. So instead of perhaps using the blender water, there is a possibility of using EM fields to apply to your drinking water to further improve on the ORMUS production or your own health. Already, I am having a positive response here.

My recent bean sprouts experiments (just this morning, April 6, 2005) found a 40% difference in germination rates if I apply a cheap television antenna booster when the end of the wire was treated with water. That water is then used to sprinkle on my bean sprouts. There is something about water having memory effect and sensitivity to EM fields. Even electric fields that was applied weeks ago had a large influence.