MARTIN: Hi everyone. This is Martin Pytela for the Life Enthusiast Health Shot podcast. And today, believe it or not, I am honored and excited to introduce to you Kelly Kennedy. She is a force. I promise you, this is not going to be a boring talk. Kelly, welcome.

KELLY: Thank you so much, Martin, and I so appreciate you. I've so been honored myself to get to know you over the last few months. And so I'm really excited about talking to your community because I know they're ready for this.

MARTIN: Okay, people. So you hear me talk about four pillars of illness: toxicity, malnutrition, stagnation and trauma. It's easy for me to get you with toxicity and with malnutrition. That's the high points for my practice. But stagnation is something that you actually have to deal with physically yourself. And I use the word stagnation as the negative term. But today you'll actually learn about flow and we'll unpack the four, maybe five letters f-l-o-w-e. Kelly, let's start with how do you know what you know?

KELLY: Well, how deep do we want to answer that question. But thank you for that. Energy flow, which is really the system that I've created, the technique. The technology came from necessity, like it always does. As a practitioner, I would call myself a healed but previously wounded practitioner who… I grew up, like so many of us, in a nice family with lots of love. But my dad was really sick and he had a genetic disorder. I was kind of threatened that you might get this genetic disorder, but nobody could tell me if I was going to get it or not. So I did, what I thought I could do was become a doctor. And I was pre-med at Cornell when I was in a horrible car accident. I almost died. And that same year, my dad had a couple strokes and ending his chronic illness at 55 years old, passing. And I was then on six medications managing pain, acne, asthma, and allergies. Previously a collegiate rower, now basically managing pain and illness and a lot of grief. And I spent three years trying to go everywhere like everybody else does, but this was in the 90s. And then I found this guy who helped me experience what we now call “a spontaneous healing”. And when I asked him what he did, he literally said energy. And when I asked him how to make sure that the pain didn't come back, he literally said “be”. And so 27, that was 28 years ago now, actually. So 28 years ago when he said that, I experienced it, I couldn't explain it. And so I dove down the path of figuring out what the heck happened. Because, Martin, as you know, my mission is to not just for me to be free, but for everyone to be free of knowing how to take care of their bodies and their health so that they none of us feel like a victim to our genes, to our our lifestyle, that we get to make choices and we become free from whatever we've been told that our health is outside of us when really everything is inside of us. And so that sent me on this journey of understanding the science behind energy, and from Tesla to Einstein to so many others at this point. And so we run a clinical practice in Pennsylvania for 20 years. I have a podcast, I have a membership program now. And really my job, if you will, my mission is to help educate people around how the body works and then secondarily, give them the experience of how the body works and allow them to become their best practitioner and their best nurturer of themselves, me included. Listen, you want to know why I learned this? Because I had to learn this.

MARTIN: So you just glanced over a whole bunch of super important points, and you just spray it like it's gun fire. But the truth is,

KELLY: Machine Gun Kelly, that's what they call me. Machine Gun Kelly as of today.

MARTIN: Yeah. And the middle name initial is F. We won't say it out loud.

KELLY: It's for Flow, of course. Yeah, Flo, force, sure. Yeah, yeah, that was a lot that I went over, but, go ahead.

MARTIN: Let me just try and highlight it. So first of all, you get sick, you can get sick with nutrition. You can get sick with trauma. You can get sick with genetics. You stacked all three. Every one of us is born with stuff and then gets growing up with stuff. And that gets mis-educated by the society. And we do stuff wrong, and we usually end up with personally inflicted wounds and iatrogenic inflicted wounds. The medical system is so screwed up it's not even funny. And if we ever want to be well, we have to unlearn a ton of stuff.

KELLY: Yeah, like, for instance, that anything was ever wrong with us to begin with. And our body ever made a mistake because actually, everything that our body's ever done.

MARTIN: Without the doctor, the body wouldn't know what to do.

KELLY: I mean, I love that. Yeah. Without the body, without the doctor, the body doesn't know what to do. I mean, can we just make that a book? That's a great book right there. Because I talk about it all the time,  I was pregnant. And for those, I had a few extra weeks than most people for 47 weeks of pregnancy. I really experienced a lot of joy, but I didn't really do much. And out, popped, well out popped yeah, sure. Out I pushed real hard was this beautiful child that was perfect. And I didn't do anything. And it's colleagues of mine like that have written books that have talked about this before, like Doctor Mindy Powells and her one of her fasting books where she talks about it. She was here in this office when it came to her. Why do we worry so much about how to take care of that baby? When it's in the womb, we're fully, fully trusting. It comes out of the womb, oh my God, all the fear sets in. And I just, that for me is the big question why? And that's the question I've never stopped asking, probably to my parents dismay, but I never stopped asking why? Like why do I have to live in pain for the rest of my life?

Doctors, I'm a collegiate rower. You're telling me because I have an injury and I compressed a couple vertebrae and lacerated my spleen and got scalped, I'm going to have to manage my pain for the rest of my life? Why do I have to get cancer just because my dad got cancer? Why do I have to get it? I don't understand, is there something I can do in the diet that's different? They're like, no, no, no. I was 16 going to the oncologist with my dad and they were telling me I was crazy. And they're like, no, no, no. Diet has nothing to do with it. Really? Hmm. How about his lifestyle? I mean, he's a dry cleaner and he doesn't exercise much, and he's not out in the sun much. And when he does, he gets really burned because he doesn't take a lot of vacations. And looking back, why? Well, because he was feeling guilty. Why? Well, because he was the youngest of three. Why? Because his mother died when he was nine, and his father had to go to work and take the kids away from the family homestead and take them into the little town of like, 30 minutes away. And they had to start working. And they learned hard work, hard work, hard work.

And anybody could die at any minute. And so, from the good side of that, my dad lived every day as though it was his last. And he was one of the most charismatic, amazing men. But on the other side of it, I realized in my own journey that he gave me kind of this, imprinted this kind of like terminality that if you don't do it today, oh, shit, you might not be here tomorrow. And so I got this pace of life that was punishing essentially, because if I didn't, and I lived full out, which was great, but it didn't allow for any kind of like pull back. It didn't allow for any rest. And so balance is life, right? And so all these things that happen to us while we're growing up and all this information, this imprinting,. Is often our body making safety behavioral choices. My dad didn't feel safe. And so he did all the things to make him feel safe. And so I didn't feel safe. And so if we don't feel safe, that's the common denominator. Then we're going to do things to make us feel safe. And what I am here to help people with is, as Martin said, the doctor doesn't know how your body works.

MARTIN: Right. All right. So let's unpack the one big thing. So there is a website. And the website is called TheTrueWellnesscenter.com.

KELLY: That's right.

MARTIN: And on it, you can find a link that says membership. And on that membership you'll be able to get yourself into a group of people. I'm in it. I've learned so much from it. It's just amazing how the reminders, even if I knew it and I did know it before, but the reminders of how to do it are just so helpful. So let's just do the flow, the F, the l, the o, and the w, let's just name it. Here is what you need to know. Exercise is good, but it's not in it.

KELLY: Right. Exactly. So the first word actually we changed it a few years ago. We went from flowe with an E at the end to put energy in the beginning, because what I realized is people weren't paying attention to the most important part of the whole equation, which is energy, because all of life is energy. And we're going to leave it to talk about last because it's the most involved, but know that it's the most important. Okay, so energy flow is really what the system is called. And energy is the most important piece. However, energy is because it's the biggest rabbit hole we’ll leave to the end.

Fascia is the F, that is the antenna essentially that connects our physical self because we are having a physical experience, as Martin said. But it connects our physical experience to our nonphysical, which is that energy. And then the fascia, so the fascia becomes our antenna. We'll talk a little bit more about that.

MARTIN: People don't know enough about fascia. So fascia is the covering of things. It's the connective tissue that's all around you or within you. It's the highway of electric signals that the Chinese people call meridians. The energy travels on that.

KELLY: It's where the rubber meets the road is what I call it. It's where the nonphysical becomes the physical. And it's actually the fabric that's our shape organ. So this has got a little grotesque, perhaps, but if I was to be deskinned, I would lay here, and you could see my body and you could see every ding. Everything that's ever happened to me that I haven't healed in my fascia. Because it's where the story lays. It's where the trauma and the issues are in the tissues, as I say, it's where all that stuff is stored. Your fascia is like the closets at your house. When you come and then the neighbors are coming over and you clean your house and you're like, oh, let me clean up the house! That's your lymph system, we'll talk about that in a minute. But when you do that, what do you do? You throw it all in your closets because I'll deal with that later. That's your fascia. Your body's going, you got to deal with it at some point. You can't get away without it because otherwise you're hoarding and that stuff is going to come out of your closet to make a mess in your house. That's the fascia. It's our shock absorber. It creates our piezo electric effect, as Martin was saying. When we walk, When we move. When we connect to the physical ground, we create an ionic exchange, yes, but without even earthing, just by movement, by the physical, structural movement that creates an electrical charge that travels up that highway. And that is how the body receives information. And then it sends those signals from the fascia in, because like tentacles, it's wrapped around every organ, every joint. It actually is around every,

MARTIN: Muscle.

KELLY: Every Muscle. That's right. And again, it's creating the shape so that when that information comes in from nature or from our hearts, because that's the electromagnetic signal from within that's connected to the fascia, because embryologically we start as fascia. So the sperm and egg get together, they unite, they make a light. Light is the wave. The wave becomes a particle. That particle is the fascia fabric. That fascia fabric holds shape to allow the heart organ, which is our generator of frequency, to be held in its shape, and then around that, the rest of the body gets created, and then we send and receive more signals from our heart than we do any other part of our body, not even more our brain than our gut. And those signals are then translated through that fascia, and then it's magnified through the lymph, which is your water part of your body. And so if that signal is going through water, just like any signal going through water, if the water is thick like soup, it's going to screw up the signal.

MARTIN: Yeah it's not water. It's an electrolyte. And the fascia is not just something, it's actually a capacitor. And the piezoelectric faculties of this thing, the movement is actually stretching and shortening it. And in the pumping action there is a source of electricity. It's so crazy complex. And any engineer would, if you understand it, it's the electric part of your body. And it's fed through movement.

KELLY: And it shape shifts and it is strong. It can withstand up to 2,000 pounds of tensile pressure. It is that thing that they talk about, oh, people pick up cars and they don't have the strength. That's your fascia doing that. Your fascia is actually the organism that's keeping you safe. And it's our ability to have consciousness over it, which is a whole another story. But that fascia is your, it's your protective mechanism that's keeping you completely safe. But it has this gliding motion. And when it's not gliding and it gets stuck because we get stuck, because we're still at times because we sit in chairs and we sleep in beds. It actually creates like these cobwebs. And then we have to open up those cobwebs like every single day. And some people call it Gil Hadley, who's a specialist. We call it fascia-ist in my world.

MARTIN: When I met my fascist, it was called Rolfing.

KELLY: Because it's a little like,

MARTIN: Yeah. And by the way, if any of you have done rolfing, it is the method by which you get at the adhesions and re-mobilize the stuff that became stuck. And it was remarkable. I had this done, I think I was about 39 or something like that.

KELLY: It was like one of the first techniques ever. Ida Rolph came out with in the 40s, I believe it was. And that's the thing, fascia in Europe is very well known. In America, not so well. And there's only maybe a handful, to maybe two handfuls of fascia techniques even to this day. I mean, one of my technique is one of them. It's fascinating, fascinating to me that it's still this new pioneering like framework for people.

MARTIN: Yeah. I just wanted to mention that I had the before and the after picture of the ten sessions. And my posture has changed dramatically because I was a bound up, twisted person from the previous life, because I did have my car accidents and falls and injuries and emotional trouble and whatever. And I was packing it all in. And after it was remobilized, my body was very different.

KELLY: Well, if you'll allow me to just show a slide or share, I wasn't going to show these but yeah, just show you what happens with a client when they work with me for one hour. So this gentleman on the left, this is one hour worth of work. And the woman on the right,

MARTIN: Please note the twistiness of the fellow before.

KELLY: Yeah.

MARTIN: And the straightenedness of him after.

KELLY: Yeah. Look at the line, it's not in his belly button on the one on the left and his breasts are really askew. Now, he's got huge scars on his back. He fell out of a tree 60ft, and he's been dealing with pain for years and years. But this is one hour of work of just working on his scars. That's all I did was work on his scars. The woman on the right has been a client for a while. She came up for an upgrade. Look at her shoulders. The difference in her shoulders, and she just in general felt like she lost weight and everything. And she knows she's looking to make that vessel into a baby making vessel. So she wants to improve it as much as possible. The guy on the left takes care, first of all, he climbs trees for a living because he's a tree surgeon. And secondly, he takes care of another person who's a quadriplegic. So he has to constantly lift and torque and move his body in different ways. And because he was already torqued, I'm like, if we don't help you unwind that, you're going to make it worse. And so let's get you in as much alignment as possible, because to your point, that's your antenna.

KELLY: And the better your posture is, the better receiver you are. And this goes throughout our life. How many of us know people in the blue zones? Do they have crappy pressure posture? Do they walk around like they can barely walk with canes? No, they're flexible and they walk and they stand up straight and they can do squats still. And they're moving their legs and they're using their bodies as their vessel that this energy is in. And that's essentially if you were to common denominator it, bring it to the lowest level of what I do is, I'm here kind of like Trinity was in the matrix to tap us on the shoulder and go: "hey, by the way, follow the White Rabbit. You are the one. You are the one that came in this physical body as a divine being." But here's the thing, we're all the one. And we didn't know how this body worked, and we didn't know we could reprogram it and have different information. We thought that our story of who we were born to and where we were born into, and what genetics we were born into, had everything to do with it.

And then we were like, ah, that's only 10% of the body. 90% of the body is this emotional body of water that's energetic, that actually is connected to everything else. And it's actually more in a wave form than a particle. And this is just the representation of what's going on in that nonphysical. So let's get those two things into alignment. And that became the study of energy of like, okay, 27 years later, you're so far down the rabbit hole, Kelly. You know how to help people in here. How the hell do you explain what it is you do? Well, I don't know. And it's taken a lot of wonderful colleagues and people to help me frame it, to go, okay, here's really what it is. The fascia is your antenna. Then that signal comes into your lymph, which is your water part of your body, which you have three times more of than blood. A lot of people talk about blood work. What's your CBC look like? What's your blood panel look like? Who cares, at some level. It's important at some level, but 90% of you, it's what sending signals to that blood. So let's look at what's in the signals of the blood. Go ahead.

MARTIN: So let's just say that we are finished with the F. We're moving to the L, and lymph or love and fluid. And it's where the interface happens. Kelly, can you show the aquarium?

KELLY: Yes. I was just pulling it up for you now, Martin, actually.

MARTIN: This is a really important concept that is so visually awesome. And there we go.

KELLY: Yeah.

MARTIN: So look at the aquarium on the left side. Visualize that it's been poisoned by stuff, by whatever. Industrial age chemicals.

KELLY: Since the industrial revolution, my husband wrote a book called The Abundance, which we're actually going to launch soon. And it's just about how we've learned how to use technology and so forth. And it actually changed our food, it changed our environment, and we became an industrialized community. However, we became a very sick community very fast. And I grew up in a pet store. It was very simple for me when I learned this, I was like, this makes so much sense. Because when the fish got sick, we didn't just treat the fish instantly and medicate it because we were frugal. What we did was we changed the water the fish was in and then see if we still needed to treat the fish. But yet in Western medicine and conventional medicine, they didn't do that. They wanted to medicate it. And I started to look at this. My father had cancer. Does it matter what he eats? No, let's just bring him in for chemo and radiation. Okay? He never takes a vacation. Does that have anything to do with that? Oh, no, no, how he lives his lifestyle has nothing to do with that. He's just genetically, he has Hodgkin's disease, and that's all there is.

MARTIN: Yeah it's a roulette. Yeah. Yeah. You just got the wrong set of genes.

KELLY: Right. And yet inside, while he was this amazing, magnanimous man, I also saw a man that was sad. I saw a man that couldn't connect with his daughter, that loved him as much, loved him so much. And he couldn't connect with me in the way that I know he wanted to. Not the way he could maybe connect with my brothers, because I was a girl, it was a little different, and he was full of disease. Then as I learned this medicine of terrain medicine, of changing the environment and watched the cells change their behavior, right? Take the rat out of the environment, put in a different environment and it changes its behavior.

MARTIN: Mhm.

KELLY: Because we are a result of our environment. And then I started to realize, well my dad handles his emotions probably the same way his mother did or his father did or ever. He never learned how to handle that. He never learned that the chemicals in the pesticides and the insecticides they were using in the farming that they came from, that they were using before, and his dry cleaning was probably not the best for the environment for the animals either. While that was part of the Industrial Revolution, it was also not with nature and starting to understand the rhythms of life is really looking at. I'm a scientist, I'm a biologist. What does that mean? I study life, so I study rhythms and circadian rhythms and how the body creates patterns within its rhythms. And that's why,

MARTIN: I like to highlight this important bit just so it doesn't get lost, which is this. Anything that gets into the fish, which in this metaphor is your cell, has to be in the aquarium, and the aquarium is the lymph. The water in the aquarium is the lymph. Your cell takes up from the lymph, the inputs and drops back into the lymph, its outputs. So the fish poops in the water. The fish eats from the water. It's the water that determines the circulation of life, the function of it all. So.

KELLY: Thank you. Yes. And so the question is, where's the filter for this tank?

MARTIN: Yeah. What is the filter?

KELLY: What is the filter? The filter is the lymphatic system. So this is the picture of live blood which on the left shows a tank that's just full of environmental toxins, pesticides, metals and chemicals and emotional stress. That's the person on the left with really sticky, thick blood and no space so that the cells can't receive information. On the right, you see a lot of space. That's the lymph. You see the cells are able to be communicated. Everything can move around. The white blood cells are in there as well. Those are the ones that look like little happy faces. And they can identify any pathogens or invaders and then can mobilize it out and everything goes well and the body is able to let go of its toxicants, circulate its nutrients and gases, which is part of that lymphatic system as well. And the body is able to let go, create space, and circulate and inform. And then the functions of the organs are proper because the cells are being given the right information. So then inside the cells and the mitochondria, the receiving proper signaling and then can function at optimal level. And that's then allowing the oxygen because there is space now, that oxygen can travel everywhere in the body, because we know pathogens and toxicants don't live in oxygenated areas. And then the water inside the body, think back to those water crystals we showed you. We know from Emoto's work who was one of the first people to ever show us this, that water is a reflection and it actually changes its form based upon the information we give it. So if we say ugly, it's going to make ugly crystals. And if we say pretty, it makes symmetrical crystals. And I've had a lot of kids try this experiment at home, you don't believe it. Take two plants, separate them. Water one with water that you say pretty things to. Water one with water you say ugly things to and see what happens to the plants.

MARTIN: Here we are. So, water is the universal memory medium of the universe, of life on this planet. And the water is a polar molecule. It is an H+ and OH-. And it's magnetic. And these latent crystals can arrange themselves and they actually arrange themselves depending on the vibrational, energetic, subtle, nonphysical impact that's sent their way. So, being told something awful actually has an expression upon you or the planet if you want to manifest it.

KELLY: Beautifully said, Martin. Exactly. And the water is this vessel, like we are that holds information. And so it's really important to what we expose it to, both in physicality of what we expose it to. If I sit in Axe body spray for long enough, I'll tox out my water again. If I clean out my water and don't allow chemicals and perfumes and scents and fragrances and food colorings and dyes and processed foods, none of it's real. And my body looks at it all as foreign objects. Then it's got to get rid of it. So then we become a little bit purist and we start to go, okay, if it doesn't come from nature, then I don't want it because my body's got to filter it out and I don't want to get my body work harder than it needs to. So I want, I don't want to wear my engine out on stupid crap. I want to live a really long life and not waste out my engine because I put crappy oil in it. Let's put high grade, high quality oil. Get my car to proof well, and my car will optimize and it'll actually last longer. And so movement is number one. Water is number two. Oxygen moving through. So the water holds the structure so the energy can flow uninterrupted. And then we live in our hearts. And we use our minds because we're real smart. We don't want to not use that. But we first listen to the information, the nonphysical part of us of when are we in energy harmony and when are we not? Oh, I don't know why I want the ice cream tonight.

Is that my emotional self being like, oh, I didn't get fed earlier, so I want to feed myself emotionally, or is it because I need the fat and I'm listening to my body going, you ain't getting not fat today. And either one, it could be a benefit even though it's got sugar in it. Yeah, I said that. And I'm not a big fan of ice cream. I have no idea why ice cream came up, other than I got a lot of people in my house right now that really like ice cream. But anything can be looked at as good. As long as you're in alignment with it. Because nothing by its nature is bad. It's listening to your body and realizing your body's never making a mistake.

But the question becomes, can you discern between your crap and and your truth, and then your truth and somebody else's truth? Are you doing that because you want to do that? Or are you doing that because you have a mother that you've never healed and you're trying to take care of everybody and you forgot to take care of yourself? And that becomes where the emotional, spiritual of how energy flows become a big deal. And so it doesn't get stuck in the tissues. We work on the fascia, the lymph and movement and physically move because everything moves. Otherwise we're stagnant. And that comes from, oh, I do this because when my father did this, I did this. Really? You’re still playing that story? You're 60 now. Move on.

MARTIN: Yeah. So here's some interesting highlights from this. We humans are dynamic creatures. Dynamic as in the inhale-exhale. You have to push stuff out. Bring stuff in. Ingest. Excrete. And all of this is dynamic. If you go non dynamic, you have a marble statue or a wooden block. It's immutable. It stops growing. It may still look pretty, but it's not living. And the livingness requires inputs and outputs, interactions. So that's point one. You are a dynamic creature. Point two I want to make sure that you get is that, mind over matter. Yes, you can totally eat ice cream if you want, as long as you take it with the loving consciousness that it deserves. And you know, so many people who have not lived “healthy” and yet lived long in a healthy body. And it's because their consciousness overrides the toxicity of what's coming in. So mind over matter. But not all of us are masters. So don't tempt or don't just do worse than you need to do, because you may not be as much of a master as you think you are.

KELLY: That's a really good point. A little knowledge can be dangerous. And knowing how to do this and practicing it every day, which is why I built the forum, was take philosophy and put it into action, because there's a learning curve to everything. And when I started doing this 28 years ago, I thought I was a really great creator and manifester and I was really clear up with myself. And if I looked at that person, no judgment, now that was on this podcast, I'd have totally different answers and totally because I continued to change and grow and expand and continue to go deeper into the work so that I could be a better version of me so that I wasn't the limiting factor for anybody. So the way I said it, how I said it, what I look like when I said it, not for anybody else was number one my truth, but also I wasn't pushing somebody else's buttons because of how I said it, because I was in my own trauma to allow them to not hear the truth. Because when you hear the truth, you resonate.

And that's what I really invite everyone to follow: that part of your body that's getting chills when you hear the truth and go, wow, I want more of that. And when we have more and more of that in our lives, we heal. And as to Martin's point, freedom and healing doesn't look like gluten free, dairy free, everything's free of taste and flavor and everything, because the point of life is to live it and love it. In an 80/20 rule, old, right? I can't throw out the fact that I'm a physical body and just eat crappy food all the time and ignore what I know. Ignorance is bliss. But when we know and we're conscious, I can eat that bowl of ice cream and go, this is feeding my soul, and it's feeding my fat, and I love it right now. But if I do that every day, that's dumb.

MARTIN: But also, I want to just bring in the Reiki of it. We all are fully capable of channeling the energy that informs the universe. I can just let it come through me and out through my hands. I can bless the food before I eat it, and it's going to be a very different experience.

KELLY: 1 million percent.

MARTIN: And I want to tell you, the hamburger that your grandmother cooks with love, as opposed to some pimple faced, uncaring, semi stoned fellow that just flips it. There's a huge difference in how that food sample A versus sample B is going to be absorbed or accepted into your body.

KELLY: Because that changes the quality. Because love is the secret ingredient.

MARTIN: Yeah, that's the vibration. So we just mentioned the F and L, the O is the oxygen. The W is the water.

KELLY: That's right.

MARTIN: And the water transports the oxygen. And it's the pH of the water, it's allowing the oxygen quantity to be transported. So don't ignore the pH balance which is related to minerals and nutrients and whatever else. But super important, one more thing. And exhaling.

KELLY: And exhaling. pH has a lot to do with your exhale and changing your carbon dioxide and your oxygen.

MARTIN: Breathing. Yes yes yes. And then there's this thing I wanted to mention which is called Zeta potential, which is this thing. Remember the rouleaux? The red blood cells that were stuck together, their zeta potential was low and they were not repelling one another with sufficient inner force. And then zeta potential comes with nutrients. A high level of nutrients in the body will build this potential. Especially minerals.

KELLY: Minerals are the key. Minerals and water. We're just a bunch of salt water bags held together with fascia tissue.

MARTIN: Right. So now, all of that, back to the E on the end and E on the beginning. Energy only travels in a medium that allows it to travel. So water without minerals is non-conductive. And lymph without movement, which is exercise at minimum, is stagnant. But maybe do you want to just mention these different points that people have on the body that kind of show them how things have gone out of balance?

KELLY: Yeah. So with this lymph that we have three times more of than blood, that's really where I'm going to give everybody a little link so that you know where to get your lymph and how to pump your own lymphatic system. How to change your filter is what we say. And that's free for anybody. You don't have to join my membership to do that. If you want to join the membership. It's only 33 bucks a month because I want to make it accessible to people. But the PDF that we give you and the manual video is free just to get you started, we have between 600 and 1000 lymph nodes. Those are like the doors of your body. These lymph nodes are focused in our and concentrated about 20% in our neck and 50% in our gut, and the rest are in the areas we bend and they all connect from our head. They're called glymphatics. And they drain and help clean up the brain. In the gut they're called gut associated lymphatic tissue (GALT). So they're going to help clean out our gut tissue. And then you have the mucosa and the sinuses and the lungs. And so this whole inner skin, essentially this mucosa, this lymphatic tissue is moved with movement through the vessels. But then when it gets to the nodes these are like the doors.

KELLY: And if these doors aren't open, nothing actually comes out. And these are deep in the body so we have to address them. And so we teach a manual technique. We also teach how you can use little vibration tools that I sell like this that are designed specifically as a vibrational tool, a physical vibration to create a movement in that tissue to break that up. And there's a specific sequence to allow the movement to come out of the body. Because when you dust your house, you got to start at the top and work your way down, because otherwise you're just moving the dust around. You want to get the dust to come out. And so I teach this specific sequence to make you efficient at your lymphatic drainage. And for me, we brush our teeth twice a day, we should pump our lymph twice a day if everything's going well, if you're dealing with any symptom, it's because your lymph is clogged, you have brain fog, you have digestion issues, you have skin issues, you have menstrual issues. You have, what else did I say? I don't know, those are the top things. I can't sleep, I can't poop, I don't have energy, I don't have enough brain, I have fog.

MARTIN: I think the important ones are puffiness, swelling, slowness, stinkiness.

KELLY: Yeah. Well, those are also signs of lymph, for sure, that your body's not draining. But I think some of the things that people don't think about are headaches, like any symptom you have is because your lymph is full, bottom line. And so the reason it gets clogged is because we're stagnant and we have dams. Dams are either tight fitting clothes or stuck adhesions or scars on the body. And as we open that up, we allow the rivers to flow again so there's nothing stagnant. Because the body is the body of ocean that is your lymph. And if ocean water gets stagnant, what happens? Stuff gets smelly and gross. And like you said, like things grow in it and you don't want that in your lymph system. You want it to be moving like free flowing water all the time so that it's clean and nothing's growing in it. And that happens at the lymph nodes. So by manually pumping our own lymph nodes, which is simple to do and takes 2 to 3 minutes a day, a couple times we really open up those doors. And when we open up those doors, what happens is we feel better, we get lighter, we sleep better, the puffiness goes away.

In general, any symptom we're dealing with reduces, and it allows us to maybe allow that body to detox. Not maybe, it does allow the body to detox better because so many people do detox programs, but they can't actually get through it because they're not draining. And so a lot of people have hormonal issues, you don't have hormonal issues, you have toxicity issues, and you have toxicity issues because your lymph is draining. You don't have gut issues, you have toxicity of the gut. And the reason you have toxicity of the gut, no matter what your symptom is, constipation or too much. It's because your lymph isn't moving. You don't have sleep issues. It's because your body has got toxins moving around and keeping you awake. And so when you regulate your nervous system, when you get the body into the parasympathetic and you move that lymph, the body is able to let go of things that are disrupting your sleep, that are irritating your nervous system because they're stuck in your lymph system. Is that what you're looking more for?

MARTIN: It's such a waterfall of words that is just almost like stepping into too much intensity all at once. And I try to slow you down, because we're talking to people who may have never heard this before. And it's a lot. At the same time, if you do get one thing from here, Kelly does not talk this fast on her membership forum. She has more time and she slows it down and she actually teaches it really well with great examples. I have experienced it. I learned from it. It's really cool. And I always wish that when somebody calls me back and says, I want to return this product, it gave me a headache or it gave me a bad reaction. I'm thinking: "Oh, you foolish person, you are taking something that's going to help you, but you have to first open the doors. Otherwise it's going to get stuck and blow up on the inside of it."

KELLY: That's right. And I know, you're right, Martin. I know I talk fast and folks listening, trust me, it's purely because I have so much in me that I want to give you. I have 30 years of knowledge of knowing why energy is what you need to focus on. I have 30 years of scientific proof of significance of client after client. When I apply this science, how it works every freaking time. As long as the client follows along and I know that this can give you the freedom. So I just try to give you as much as I can so that you understand that today, I pray that I opened you up enough to ask enough questions to continue down this rabbit hole. I never expect that I give you all of it today. I just want you to go: "Whoa. That's all stuff that I haven't heard." Good. Then look, this is the answer. This is the path you need to go down. Because everything you've tried has kept you right where you're at. This is going to help you shift and change. This is going to give you the freedom back that you've been looking for. This is the call you've been waiting for because we've all been wanting to be free. That's why we came here. We all wanted to live in heaven on earth and we don't know where the rulebook is. Well, I didn't either, but I created it. So here we go.

MARTIN: There we go. And by the way, if you're anywhere near driving to Pennsylvania, you could go and visit Kelly at her clinic, which I wish I were closer, I promise.

KELLY: I know, I know, one day we'll make that happen. But yes, we're outside of Philadelphia and we do see clients rather one on one for immersions, deeper work, as well as some other technologies and so forth that we offer and hands on and we do virtual work as well. We're here to help you. We're here to help you wherever you are. What I call the labyrinth of wellness, wherever you stepped into it, we're here to help you walk through the path just a little bit further in whatever one of these categories you really need, because these are the foundational categories. And I appreciate you so much, Martin.

MARTIN: How different is that blue device that you showed from a typical vibrator that a woman would use for personal fun?

KELLY: I'd say not much.

MARTIN: Well, what? Is it stronger? Is it similar?

KELLY: Well, first of all, it has three modes to it that are bio sonic, that are specific for the lymph and the head is the key. So while it does create the vibration, the head, which is very flexible, it fits really well under your chin and in your clavicle area and in your armpits and in your inner elbow. In your abdomen. And these are all areas where those lymph nodes are. And so it's really set to create that vibration over the lymph nodes. And it's 85 bucks. And then I teach a $29 master class with it. So you know how to not just drain your top ten lymph nodes. But I also teach you how to drain your liver, your kidneys, your breasts, your inguinals, and you own that class. So that you can not only do this for you, but your kiddos, your four legged kiddos, your two legged kiddos, your parents, teach everyone this. We all know how to brush our teeth. Why we don't know how to drain our lymph is beyond me. That's why I'm here. I guess it's not beyond me, it's why Kelly Kennedy is here, KFK. Kelly Flowe Kennedy, teach everybody how to get that lymph. And it's on the physical level, yes. But then there's this emotional part because when we move water, emotions move, the ocean and the emotion. You know that whole thing. But this tool is specifically made for the lymph. So the vibration is for that. So there's three vibrations.

MARTIN: Pulse medium, big pulse type of thing or what?

KELLY: Yeah. The pulses are specific for the type of density of the tissue you're working on. So if you have a lipedema or a lymphedema we actually have another tool coming out that's better for that. So if you have lymphedema or lipedema, it's actually,

MARTIN: Lipedema is when your fat is all swelled up.

KELLY: If you have that, don't buy this one. Go to my website. We have the Flow Vibe 2 coming out. We're actually the first one selling it, it should be coming out this week. Wait for that one because this one is great for everyone, but that one is specifically good because that has five different programs on it. It's a little bit more expensive, it's $150, but the fourth and the fifth are more like a juju juju. So that's good for denser tissue. And then the last one is for lipedema.

It's all about the pulse of the vibration and what it's going to do to break up the tissue, to get it to mobilize again.

MARTIN: Back to the flow.

KELLY: It's all about energy flow, folks. So my thing is, if you have any kind of form of vibration at home, start using it and then get higher quality form of vibration.

MARTIN: That's what I was thinking. If I put it right here into where this thing is stuck or well, okay, put it over here or start from here. Okay.

KELLY: Always here. Always above the clavicle. We always, always start there.

MARTIN: It should be noted if you don't know physiology, that the lymphatic system connects to the bloodstream. Just over here, there's a little waterfall, two channels, and the lymph joins the blood and the filtration organs. Your liver and your kidneys and your spleen are filtering the blood. And the blood is the stuff that actually allows it to leave the body.

KELLY: As well as exhale. Correct. As well as exhale. We will exhale out more toxicants than we pee, poop or sweat. But to your point, the lymph does dump into the cardiovascular into your heart. So do you want water dumping into your heart? Do you want thick, nasty oil dumping in your heart? You want water. And so the thinner the lymph is the better. All the flow goes into your heart and the better everything goes.

MARTIN: Right. Oh, if somebody over here is tempted to have some of their lymph nodes removed, try to resist that desire. You'll miss them.

KELLY: And yes. Nothing is perfect and the body creates a workaround. So like a lot of people have lost their tonsils or their appendix and the body is amazingly resilient. I've had clients grow back spleens and all sorts of stuff. So if you're in a situation where you've had to have lymph nodes removed, know that there're workarounds. If you're in a situation where you have an option, let's have a conversation.

MARTIN: Yeah. Well, okay. So, if you don't have a headache from too much information, that's a good thing. If you do, listen to it three times. Yeah. The website is thetruewellnesscenter.com.